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Monday, May 31, 2010

Genealogy: Help your Descendants find out more about you.

If your into doing your family Genealogy you know how hard it is sometimes to find out things about some of your ancestors.

  Well you can make it much easyer for your descendants to find more about you if you would take a little time and keep notes for them. I have a note book that I keep by my computer and ever so often I will write into it something that I did that day or that week.

If you think oh I don't want ever one to know about me. They do, Out there in the world your information
is for any one to see, If you have been to a Doctor's office or any place were you had to fill out papers
your information is out there.

 It only takes a little of your time and it will help your descendants out. after you have  writen in your
note book ever so often put that information onto a C.D. and then mark your C.D.
Yours truly
Clyde V Antrim

Friday, May 28, 2010

Genealogy: Keeping Good Genealogy Records

                   One of the first things you need for keeping your Genealogy records is a good 2 or 3 in 3 hole binder I started with a 1 in binder but it was filled real soon , So get you two or three binders and also get you a pack of 100  Beautone Sheet protectors To cover your Family group sheets , You will like them .

 I have the Family tree maker program on my Gateway computer I also have the H.P. Photo smart C5180 all in one Printer, Scanner, Copier. and two photo programs on my computer they are H.P. photo smart, and Picasa Photo. I have both because I find that I can move my photos from one to the other and what one can't do the other can.

  I will print out all of my family group sheets that is on my computer and put them in my binders and then I take the same records and down load them to  C.D.s. I also down load my family genealogy on to
a 8 Gig Pny by Optima. That way you will have back up of your records .   Keep your C.D. in a cool place and your Pny . 

  I Have one of the best Cameras a  H.P. Photosmart R967  10 megapixels  It takes the best photos
and with the H.P.  program on my computer I am all set to take photos of people or land marks and put them into my genealogy records.

  You can buy most of your items that you need on the internet or check with Family Tree Maker or a LDS Library they will help you.

 I hope I was of some help to you . Yours Truly
                                               Clyde V Antrim
      

Thursday, May 27, 2010

Genealogy: Descendants of Thomas Antram 1607

Dr.Thomas Benard Antrim : born 30 June 1814 Clinton Co, Ohio died 23 Oct 1888, Rensselaer , Jasper Co, Indiana. The son of Thomas son of Godfrey son of Thomas son of Thomas son of John son of Thomas Antram 1607:

Married Lucinda W. Massey 27 Dec 1838 :

Children of Thomas B and Lucinda Antrim
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1. Rebecca Antrim : born 27 Sep 1839 in Waren Co, Indiana.

2. Rachel Elizabeth Antrim : born 01 Jun 1842 in Waren Co, Indiana.

3. Mahlon Francis ( Lightfoot Lee ) Antrim : 12 Jan 1845 Waren Co, Indiana.

4. Milton Frazer Antrim : born15 Nov 1851 in Waren Co, Indiana.

5. James Faris Antrim: born 17 Apri 1857 in Keener Twp, Jasper Co, Indiana.

6.George Benard Antrim: born 19 Sep 1861 Porter Co, Indiana.

7. William D. Antrim : born 01 Aug 1848 Waren Co, Indiana.

8. Sarah Caroline Antrim: born 17 Dec 1854 Waren Co, Indiana.

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More Family information at antrimfamilynewsletter.com

Clyde V Antrim

Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Genealogy: Descendants of Thomas Antram : born 1607

  Thomas Davis Antrim , the son of Godfrey son of Thomas son of Thomas son of John son of Thomas Antran ;born 1607 in Frederick, Virginia. died 25 Dec 1853 in Porter Co, Indiana. married
Rachel Jenkins 1804 in Clinton Co, Ohio.

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Children of Thomas D and Rachel Antrim:

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1. John Antrim : born 16 Apri 1805 Clinton Co, Ohio.

2. Aden Antrim : born 04 Dec 1807 in Clinton Co, Ohio

3. Fannie Antrim : born 24 Apri 1808 in Clinton Co, Ohio.

4. Rachel Antrim: born 12 Jan 1810 in Clinton Co, Ohio.

5. Thomas Benard Antrim : born 30 Jun 1814 in Clinton Co, Ohio,
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More family information at antrimfamilynewsletter.com

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Genealogy : Descendants of Thomas Antram 1607

                  Godfrey Antram the son of Thomas the son of Thomas the son of John the son of Thomas, was born 22 Feb 1753 in Springfield, Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.: died 1802, married Hannah Painter 02 Sep 1776, in Springfield Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.

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Children of Godfrey and Hannah Antram A spelling change of last name  Antram to Antrim in 1776.
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1. Thomas D Antrim : born: 06 Mar 1776 in Frederick VA.died 25 Dec 1853 in Porter, Co, Indiana. married Rachel Fry in 15 Jan 1802.

2.  Robert Antrim : born 1778 in Frederick , Virginia.

3. Sarah Antrim: born 1780 in Frederick, VA.

4. Aden Antrim: born 16 Jan 1785 in Frederick, VA.

5. Grace Antrim: born 1787 in Frederick, VA.

6 . Nancy Antrim : born Frederick, Va.

7. William Antrim : born Frederick, Va.

8. Mary Antrim : born 10 Jan 1794 in Greene Co, Tennessee.

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 More family information at antrimfamilynewsletter.com

Monday, May 24, 2010

Genealogy : Descendants Of Thomas Antram :1607

                                            Thomas Antram Born 1723 in Burlington , New Jersey. the son Thomas, son of John son of Thomas 1607 died 29th Feb 1812. Married Prudence Hancock 1747 in Springfield Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.
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Children of Thomas and Prudence Antram
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1. Godfrey Antram born : 10 Apri 1748, died 10 Apri 1748 Springfield Twp , Burlington, New Jersey

2. Sarah Antram born 16 May 1749 in Springfield Twp: Burlington New Jersey.

3.Godfrey Antram born 22 Feb 1753 in Springfield, Twp: Burlington, New Jersey, died 1802
Married Hannah Painter 02 Sep 1776 , in Springfield, Twp: Burlington New Jersey.

4.Jonathan Antram born: 17 Feb 1755 in Springfield, Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

5. Aden Antram born: 22 Feb 1757 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

6.William Antram born 01 Apri 1759 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

7. Martha Antram born 18 March 1761 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

8. Thomas Antram born 12 May 1763 in Springfield Twp: Burlington , New Jersey.

9. Mary Antram born 17 Apri 1766 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

10. Prudence Antram born 03 Aug 1768 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.

11. Mercy Antram born 02 Feb 1778 in Springfield Twp: Burlington, New Jersey.


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Saturday, May 22, 2010

Genealogy: Thomas Antram1607 Descendants

Thomas Antram the son of John and the Grandson of Thomas Antrim 1607:

   Thomas Antram born 30 Nov 1688 in Northampton, Burlington, New Jersey died 05 Jan 1732

 Married Sarah Zelley 02 May 1715.
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Children of Thomas and Sarah Antram:
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1.  Isaac Antram born: 1716 Springfield , Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.

2 Martha Antram born 1718 Springfield, Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.

3.  Mary Antram born : 1720 Springfield, Twp. Burlington, New Jersey.

4.   Daniel Antram born: 06 Oct 1721 in Springfield Twp, Burlington New Jersey.

5.  Thomas Antram born : 1723: died 29 Feb 1812,
 Married Prudence Handcock, 25 Nov 1783 in Springfield, Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.

6.  Rachel Antram: born 1724: in Springfield, Twp, Burlington, New Jersey.

7.  John Antram born: 1733 in Springfield, Twp , Springfield, New Jersey.

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More information can be found at my Home page at
antrimfamilynewsletter.com

Clyde V Antrim

Thursday, May 20, 2010

Genealogy John Antram son of Thomas Antram 1607

                         ( Descendants of Thomas and Jane ( Batter ) Antram )


Of the two living sons of Thomas Antram 1607, John and James , I am a Descendant of John . I am in the 9th Generation .
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John Antram born 29th Jan 1645 in Salem, Mass. died 30,May 1719.
, Married in 15th May 1682 to Franch ( Butcher ) Antram  in Burlington , New Jersey .
born Abt: 1658 Biddlesden,Buckinghamshire, Bucks, England.
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Children of John and Frances Antram
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John Antram born 07 Nov 1683 in Burlington New Jersey.

James Antram born 10 March 1685 in Burlington, New Jersey.

Thomas Antram born  ? ? 1686 died 1686 in Burlington, New Jerey.

Thomas Antram born 30 Nov 1688 Died 5, Jan 1732: married Sarah Zelley.

Ann Antram born in Burlington ,New Jersey? Nov 1691 Married William Jr. Matlack.

Mary Antram born 1692 in Springfield twp Burlington New Jersey.Married John Norcross.

Isaac Antram ?? 1693 in Springfield twp Burlington, New Jersey. married Jane Ridgway.

Elizabeth Antram ?? 1694 in Springfield Twp , Burlington, New Jersey. married John Crosby

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on more information on these family Group sheets go to my Home Page at
antrinfamilynewsletter.com   yours truly Clyde V Antrim
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010

Clyde Antrim's Blog: Genealogy: Antrim Family Ancestors Thomas Antram

Clyde Antrim's Blog: Genealogy: Antrim Family Ancestors Thomas Antram

Genealogy: Antrim Family Ancestors Thomas Antram

Thomas Antram born 1607 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. and his wife Jane Batter Born 1609 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England.  They were married 24th May 1630 . They Came to Salem ,Massachusette. in the year 1635 on the ship James.

   They were members of the Friends Church of England,  and were charther members of The Friends church of Salem, Massachusette. They were not to bring any money with them only Goods , Thomas had 500 lbs of lead bars that he brought to Bartter with. Thomas was a Cord winder by trade a rope maker.

  Their Children were:

Obadiah A Antram born 07 June 1640 , in Salem , Essex, Co, Mass. Died 1666 Death at Sea " West Indies. Married Martha Baker 15 May 1665 Salem , Mass.

  Mary Antram born 16 July 1643 : in Salem, Mass. Married Isaac Burnap.

 John Antram born 29 Jan 1645 : in Salem Mass. Married  Frances Butcher in 15th May 1682
Burlington, New Jersey.

Abigail Antram born 24th Aug 1648: in Salem, Mass. Married John Phelps.

 James Antram born 12 Sept 1657.in Salem Mass.  Married Mary Hance in 14th March 1695 in
Burlington, New Jersey.

Sunday, May 16, 2010

Genealogy Dr Thomas Antrim

                                        (  Dr. Thomas Antrim ) 


                                 Clyde V Antrim's G- Grandfather


                                              Keener Township

            Dr. Thomas Antrim Physician and Farmer, was born June 30, 1814, in Clinton Co, Ohio. and is the Youngest of four children of Thomas and Rachel ( Jenkins ) Antrim, natives of Virginia and of Irish and Welsh descent.  Dr. Antrim left his native State when 6 years of age and came with his parents to Wayne County, Ind. and remained about sixteen years, then moved to Wabash County. And thence to this county in 1853, where he has since remained and has a good farm of eighty acres. December 27 1838 he Married Lucinda W Massey, a native of this State, which union was favored with eight children -- Rebecca j. deceased.Rachel E,, Mahlon F., deceased; William D., deceased; Milton F; James F., George B; and Sarah C.  Dr. Antrim earliest and strongest predilection was for the practice of medicine. He did much reading and after marriage he applied himself thoroughly to the study of his profession. He is truly a self-made man. He was formerly a Whig, having given his vote for Henry Clay. Afterward he became identified with the Anti-slavery party, and was a conductor on the underground railroad. He is now an earnest Republican; he was elected Justice of the Peace in 1882 and is the Recorder-elect of this County.

Saturday, May 15, 2010

Genealogy " Pagan Raiders "

List 2 of Pagan Raiders
I could not get all of the men on my first Blog , the rest is on this list

PFC Walter Baleia               RA12336724        Co I
PFC Georg W Mensch         RA133335675     Co I
PVT-2 Michale D Szucs       RA15458487      Co I
CPL David Boyd                 RA12333625      Co K
CPL RAlph L Smith            US55082772       Co K
CPL Ramond L Stonge       US55095082       Co K
PFC Gerard V Boytis          RA12332800        Co K
PFC Edward A Ready         RA14397982      Co K
PFC Robert J Schaller         RA55082724      Co K
PFC Norman D Webster     RA19406092      Co K
PFC Paul Bullock                RA12379175      Co L
PFC Jack H Neathery         RA19371991      Co L
PVT-2 Richard Weir           RA6951075        Co L
PVT-2 Leroy A Hill            US56098065      Co L
CPL Robert E Kretchmar   NG25709072      Co M
CPL Hurtis M Monkres     NG25704142       CoM

by Order of Colonel Daugherty
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This was the list of men that made it through the training.
150 took the training only these men made it.
I was one of them that made it.

Clyde V Antrim.

           

Genealogy " Pagan Raiders " 45 th Div 179 th Reg

                                               HeadQuarters 179th Infantry

                                                             APO 86

             Special Orders                   E-X-T-R-A-C-T                                7 March 1952
               Number 43

           6. Following name EM, orgn  Indicated, are placed on Special Duty with Hq, Co 2 Bn 179th Inf

          as " Pagan Raiders " for the Purpose of establishing night ambushes and deep penetrations

         in the enemy territory.

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 Grade          Name                                                 Sn#                                           Co
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Pvt-2 Curtis Carter                                      RA25698112                                        A
Pvt-2 James Cathey                                     RA18390071                                        A
Pvt-2 Carl E Davenport                               US55170089                                         A
Cpl   Eugenio Leon Guerrero                       RA10736645                                        C
Pvt-2 Robert A Gannon                              US51034945                                         C
Pvt-2 Robert E Mc Bride                            US53083251                                         C
PFC- Clyde V Antrim                                 RA28776732                                        D
PFC Charles E Biddles                               RA14351664                                        D
PFC Dale A Lehman                                  RA28774004                                        D
SGT Ray E Gower                                     NG25700159                                        E
PFC Cruz Pompa Jr                                   US54028021                                        E
PFC James O Yates                                  RA14272738                                         E
PVT-2 Theodore L Alcorn                        US55136599                                         E
CPL George L Burns                                 RA15281092                                        F
PFC Charles T Harrigan                            RA123335315                                      F
PFC  Ernest Hufman                                  NG9397525                                        F
PFC Bill R Hudson                                   RA13257770                                        F
PVT-2 Raymond Sinkevich                       RA17313758                                        F
PFC George A Barnes                              RA13355143                                        G
PFC Charles J Bosak                               US52146419                                         G
PVT-2 Robert F Evans                            US52114483                                         G
CPL William J Reagan                             US52036017                                         H
PFC Roland Ogalin                                  RA11169171                                        H
PFC John D Smithers Jr.                          NG25704128                                       H
PVT-2 James L Kitchell                          RA16360485                                        H
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3Bn 179th

CPL Teddie L Galloway                         NG18286888                                 Hq Co 1 Bn
PFC Harold D Vande Kamp                  US55014341                                  Hq Co 1 Bn
CPL Norman M Goodfellow                  RA12370020                                       B
PFC William E Pickett                            US55073607                                       B
CPL Bruce E Radabaugh                       US55073634                                        C
PFC Merle P Jackson                            US56080564                                  Hq  3 Bn
SFC Howard W Kendle                        NG38573282                                      I
SFC Gaylord W Skinner                       NG25706193                                       I
Cpl Jack G Reeves                               US55052115                                         I
CPL Jeff W Moore                              US54006483                                         I
CPL Falmer E Scroggins                      US56058234                                         I
CPL Arthur K Watson                         US51019072                                         I

                        
      

Friday, May 14, 2010

Basis Genealogy ( Our Mother's Day )

                                                      (  Our Mother's Day  )             


              Chrismas comes with good will and cheer Festivities and fun on the year

            On Easter Sunday in Prayer we abide Our Savior in that day was Crucified.

            When Memorial Day comes we bow our head in humble respect for our solders dead.

            Fourth of July our forefathers did decree that this was the home of the brave and the free.

            And we give thanks on Thanksgiving Day, That we have the chance to live that way.

           But there is one day we must not forget it is a day that each one of us beget

           Weather we are near or weather far away we should always remember when it's

           Mother Day.


                                           By Thomas Vernon Antrim

        

     

Thursday, May 13, 2010

Basic Genealogy Freedom

                                         Freedom

           If you think you have it bad and you feel that you've been had

          This is no reason to be sad for look around you and be glad 

                     For the things that you do have Freedom


                            Clyde V Antrim

Basic Genealogy : Wealth

                                                  WEALTH

                    Some say wealth is money and power that it brings

               Others say it's land, homes, cars and a lot of other things .

                To me wealth is love, kindness and a good education.

             Because you can lose your money, power, land , cars from theft

            Wars or a revolution.

          But they can't take a way your love your kindness or your education .


                     Clyde V Antrim

                    

Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Basic Genealogy In Veteran Homes and Old age Homes

While I am waiting to see if I will have any one write a bout their Family Genealogy I have something that I would like to talk about that is Genealogy for people that is in Veteran Homes and old age Homes , They have a lot of time on their hands and I know that they would love to have some one to talk to about their life
I know that the VA can't do it ,

 But Volunteers could like Hight School Students or Boy Scouts and some of us that have retired and yes maybe The Kof C and may be some of the Lodges and maybe we could  get some of the Churchs to help as Volunteers and may be we could get the LDS church to help with some of the records taking . About theVeteran homes someone told me that the VA was trying to get as much information from the Vet that they could but they did not have the people to do it.

The Volunteers would need to have lap-top computers and cell phones maybe we could get Apple or Microsoft ,Dell ,Gateway or HP to help us with the hardware and yes that's too much to ask I don't think Bill Gates would look our way. I know that they are a lot of good people out there that would give us a hand if they could . I know I can get some Kof C Volunteers to help at our Old age Homes here in Pueblo, Colorado. and at Walsenburg VA Hospital.

We would need to get a Group to back us Say like the AARP or The Goverment, That part was a joke. I would like to talk to someone about this .

 I have had a lot of help in the last 12 years with my home page at antrimfamilynewsletter.com  At first I had a hard time getting a Genealogy Home Page but then after I had a home page with The Pueblo Chieftain newspaper here in Colorado. Family Tree Maker gave me a Home page with them and the LDS Library in Salt Lake City  Helped me out a lot and now Google is helping me with setting up my Clyde Antrim's Blog

 I do thank all of the people that has help me with my Homepages and Blog site. With my Gateway computer and H.P. Photosmart C5180 All-in one Printer- Copier I can put out the Genealogy reports and link it to my home page with Family Tree Maker on the internet.
I thank every one that has help me in the past 12 years.

This would not only help the people in the Homes, but would also help the  High School Students and
Boy Scout Volunteers.     P.S . We would need to Talk to the Schools about the Student Volunteers

          Well that was just wishfull thinking
     yours truly
Clyde V Antrim
719-948-3193
cvantrim@aculink.net

Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Basic Genealogy Lesson # 3

Lesson # 3                                                                                                            May 12, 2010

   I will now tell you some of the places to look to find some of the information  that you will be looking for.

 Go to a LDS church Library They have records from all over the world. You can go in person or use your computer.
Things to look for Birth records , Death records, Land records, Bible records,State records, County records, old news paper records, State History Pioneer records , Ship records, Church records,
Probate records, Marriage Application Records ( This is much better because it has the names of both fathers and mothers of the two that is getting married and it has their address on it) Census records,
The National Archives Records, Quaker Church Records( People did not need to be a Member of the Church to be in their record books, A lot people went from place to place in Groups it was much safer that way).all Lodges, Clubs, Military records,  Oh yes There are Genealogy Clubs out there State and County , You could join one or two and the people in the clubs will help you with your look ups .Now That should keep you off the streets for a while


  Lesson #4 will be waiting to hear from you.


  The only way that I know how we are doing is for me to hear from some of you ,For  the next day or two I'll be by my computer to help you. yours truly Clyde V Antrim

Basic Genealogy Lesson # 2

Lesson 2                                                                                                      May 11, 2010

In Lesson :  I talked about The forms that you would need to keep good records with
 ( Family Group sheets )
Now in lesson 2 I'll talk about filling out the Family Group sheet , If you don't have a family Group sheet for now you can use a note pad , On the top of the page on the left side of the page it has : Husband name,s That would be your father's name in full , below that would be his date of birth  and place of birth. then it has Died and place of death : then it has Married and place he was married at, His Father and Mother's names:
Then on the next line : Wife name your mother'name in full her maden after her first name : Birth Date: place of birth: Death Date and place of death, Her father's and her Mother name in full:
and then on the next line is Children ( list in order living or dead in order of birth,
then for each child : Male/ Female : Birth date Place of birth:  Spouse's name in full
Death date and place when Married and place of marrage;
You will need to fill out a family Group sheet for your family your Mother's family your Father's family
and one for each family member , each new family member you will need to fill out a family group sheet.
 this will keep you doing untill the next lesson.
 Clyde V Antrim

Monday, May 10, 2010

The Tender Touch

     A Nurse's work is never done very seldom does she see the sun, She treats each patient as her son ,
She ask not for glory or for fame But only to heal the weak and the lame, with love and kindness and a tender touch she heals the wounds that hurts so much.
       
          Clyde V Antrim
      

Sunday, May 9, 2010

No Mistakes

A Person who makes no mistakes must have what it takes or are they  Idle all the day for this is what some must say.
   Clyde V Antrim

What is Life

  What is Life,  Some say life is what you make it. But some times this is not true. For try as hard as you may  There are some things you can not do But if we knew what we were to do a day or two ahead there would surely be a day or so that we would stay in bed

Antrim Family News by Clyde V Antrim

I am new at this Bloging , But I have had a Home Page on the internet .
At ( antrimfamilynewsletter.com ) It is a Genealogy home page I started it in 1998 with the Pueblo Chiftain news Paper. Here in Colorado, I would put out a 4 page newsletter a month and with the help of many people , My readers would send in their family history and in time I was puting out 10 to 12 pages of Antrim familyGenealogy news, We did Ancestors Decscendants
of the first Antrim family that came to America in 1635. It was a big Job ever month sending out the news letters to our reader and puting it out on the internet. I still have a Home page on the internet but I stopped sending out the newsletter by mail.

My brother Tom told me that I could use a Blog with Google and do the same thing as I was doing with my home page , So I am giving a try. If any one is reading this drop me a E-mail at cvantrim@aculink.net . I'll have Poems items from new and old newsletters.

yours truly
Clyde V Antrim

" A Name The Same As Mine"

I never knew I had kin with the same last name as mine. For my father had told me what had been on his mind. A long time ago his sister and two brothers had pased a way, This I could see was hard for him to say. After many years I began to wonder who were my Grand parents that had the last name the same as mine. As looking for a needle in a hay stack which would be easier to find than looking for my Grand-parents that had the last name the same as mine.

After checking records and reading many books back in 1635 a man with the same last name as mine came to America to seek freedom and plant seeds of hope.
Through out history I now do find many a men with the last name the same as mine.

Their deeds through out history I read with much pride with friends and neighbors and God on their side they fought the red coats they did not run or hide.

Later in history their sons would ride to do battle to set all men free.
These men came from all walks of life from cites and farms some large and some small.
I can honestly say with much pride it makes me feel about ten feet tall.

When I began to look for my family tree I only had a seed I not only found the tree but a forest of people with a last name the same as mine.

I am proud to be an Antrim

Clyde Vernon Antrim
1175 Gowa ln, Pueblo, Colorado.
719-948-3193
antrimfamilynewsletter.com

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Saturday, May 8, 2010

Facebook

Hello there,
I don't know if this will ever be read This is a first for me, I don't know what a Blogger is let alone be writing in it. When is the first time that we start think about what are we going to do in life? I know that for me when I was a preteen I wanted to be a teenager and then I wanted to be 21 then It was to be 26 It went on like that untill I got to 50 and then It was to get to 65
And to retire from work . Now I just wish I had some of them years back. One of the things that I have learned is to meet each day as it comes.
Oh yes don't waste your days make each day count and learn everthing that you can. and never put yourself down you can do and learn as much as you put your mind to it.
I never thought that I could do some of the thing that I did do untill I gave it a try. I think getting older helpped in doing that.
yours truly Clyde V Antrim